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Frans Hitzner 1836 Germany -> Canada?

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Francis/Frank Hitzner
born abt 1936 Germany
died 1908 Orillia, ON, Canada

I have found several family trees online with data about Francis Hitzner; none of them make a connection to records in Germany. My work can be found at WeRelate; including the following:
  • 19 Sep 1859 Roman Catholic Marriage in Oshawa, ON, Canada FamilySearch
    Groom: Francis Hitzner, born Dencam (Germany);
    son of William Hitzner and Mary Aforsperager.
    Bride: Mary Flynn, born Tipperary;
    dau of Rody Flynn and Helen Kelly.
  • 1901 Canada Census, Ontario, Simcoe, Medonte ArchivesCanada
    Heitzner Frank, M, Head, born 2-Feb-1836 Germany, age 65
  • 30 Aug 1908 Obituary in Orillia, ON, Canada
    PRICE'S CORNER - Death has removed an old settler in the person of Mr. F. Hitzner who died at the Orillia Hospital, on August 14th. Mr. Hitzner was born at Hamburg-on-the-Rhine, Germany, in 1836. He emigrated to Buffalo, U.S., when he was 18 years of age, remaining one year; afterwards removing to Mara, where he married Miss Mary Flynn, of Oshawa, in 1860.
An interesting birth/baptism in Germany is this one FamilySearch
  • Weisenheim am Sand, Pfalz, Bavaria
    Franziscus Hitzner
    Birth Date: 03 Feb 1835
    Christening: 04 Feb 1835
    Father: Wilhelmi Hitzner
    Mother: Annae Mariae Habersberger
* Where was Francis born? Hamburg-on-the-Rhine is not a real place. Dencam is not a real place; but perhaps it refers to Landkreis Bad Dürkheim? Weisenheim am Sand is located within Landkreis Bad Dürkheim.
* When was Francis born? Canada Census returns are not known for the accuracy; earlier census returns do not include birthdate.
* Mother's maiden name? In German records; her surname is spelled Happersgerger, Habersperger, Haggersberger, Hapersberger, Habersberger - is Aforsperager really so different?

I searched the internet for other prior work on this family in Germany; but found nothing; so I created Geneanet.org

Prior work may have helped to answer these questions:
  • 1. Do any records exist in Germany that confirm Francis left for North America?
  • 2. Do any records exist in Germany that indicate Francis either married or died in Germany and I need to find another connection?
Última edición por fbax el 05 Julio 2019, 16:21, editado 1 vez en total.

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are you aware that Franciscum Hitzner was married a first time in Germany ?
Marriage 20 Feb 1844

you have Franciscus Hitzner born in 1836

records indicate Baptism Date: 3 Feb 1820 :?:
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OK, I get it:

I was talking about the Franciscus from your other post:
son of Georgii & Annae Mariae.

sorry for the confusion.

I see now that the census dates are 1835-36.

I will look for his arrival
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Looks like a long shot. If this was him, that means :
  • he was married for a 1st time in Germany (I will look)
    this Catharine is a relative
    this is another Frank
1858; Arrival: New York, New York; Microfilm Serial: M237, 1820-1897; Microfilm Roll: Roll 183; Line: 40; List Number: 342
Arrival 12 May 1858 New York, New York
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Margaret Evans

40 Frank Heinsler 24 1834 ? shoe maker
41 Catharine Heinsler 19 1839

Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany

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more interesting:

I bet you did not find this one ! ;)

Hebner :roll:

1861 Mara, Ontario, Canada West; Roll: C-1057
Film Number: C-1057
Page Number: 21


27 Fracis Hebner 26 1835 Germany Roman Catholic
28 Mary Hebner 26 1835 Ireland Married
29 William Hebner 1 1860 M C
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femuse escribió:
04 Julio 2019, 21:10
Looks like a long shot. If this was him, that means :
  • he was married for a 1st time in Germany (I will look)
    this Catharine is a relative
    this is another Frank
1858; Arrival: New York, New York; Microfilm Serial: M237, 1820-1897; Microfilm Roll: Roll 183; Line: 40; List Number: 342
Arrival 12 May 1858 New York, New York
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Margaret Evans

40 Frank Heinsler 24 1834 ? shoe maker
41 Catharine Heinsler 19 1839

Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Frank arriving on ship "Margaret Evans" is a different person.

https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=NYStateCen1875&indiv=try&h=1361338022
New York, State Census, 1875 - Monroe - Rochester Ward 15
39: Frank Hensler age 40 born abt 1834 Bavaria wood stove dealer
40: Christine Hensler age 36 born abt 1839 Bavaria

Thanks for 1861 Census; That is indeed new.

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I must be nuts ! :mrgreen:

I just looked at 1,551 names of people named Franciscus/Franz/Frank/F.
  • no last names
    born in Germany 1834-1838
    immigration 1852-1859
in "United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897"; No image available

Only 2 looked possible, but this one is out:
must be the one from Rochester

06 Mar 1854 New York, New York, New York, United States
Franz Henzler
Age: 20
Birth Year (Estimated): 1834
Birthplace: Baden


that leaves us with one to study - phonetically, the name could be it, even though it's a stretch:

29 Apr 1853 New York, New York, New York, United States
Franz Hitschler
Age: 18
Birth Year (Estimated): 1835
Birthplace: Bavaria
Occupation: Farmer
Ship Name: Charlemagne
Departure Port: Havre
Destination Place: New York
Affiliate Manifest ID: 00007329
Affiliate ARC Identifier: 1746067


https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2110801
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05 Julio 2019, 02:55
"United States Germans to America Index, 1850-1897"; No image available
I found the original database here:

https://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-description.jsp?s=4432&cat=GP44&bc=,sl&col=1002

No images to see who Franz Hitschler might be travelling with.

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